Interview with Rev John Weaver - EC396

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[Rushdoony] How about the clergy? <audiopointer>6:01</audiopointer>
 
[Rushdoony] How about the clergy? <audiopointer>6:01</audiopointer>
  
==[Weaver] Well, I find that there are several things...==
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[Weaver] Well, I find that there are several things going on amongst the clergy. One of them, I find that there is a separating of the wheat and the chaff. On the one hand you have a lot of preachers falling all over the country and it doesn&#x0027;t really upset me in that sense of the word, because my attitude is in one sense of the word God really knows how to quell them. In other words, I believe the ... the ones who are not God’s true preachers are being exposed and... and ... and are falling and the people are seeing that the problems in their lives stem from the fact that they are either not converted or they certainly do not know the law of God and do not apply it.
 
[Weaver] Well, I find that there are several things going on amongst the clergy. One of them, I find that there is a separating of the wheat and the chaff. On the one hand you have a lot of preachers falling all over the country and it doesn&#x0027;t really upset me in that sense of the word, because my attitude is in one sense of the word God really knows how to quell them. In other words, I believe the ... the ones who are not God’s true preachers are being exposed and... and ... and are falling and the people are seeing that the problems in their lives stem from the fact that they are either not converted or they certainly do not know the law of God and do not apply it.
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[Weaver] And Scripture says that the borrower is indeed servant or slave to the lender. <audiopointer>21:04</audiopointer>
 
[Weaver] And Scripture says that the borrower is indeed servant or slave to the lender. <audiopointer>21:04</audiopointer>
  
==[Rushdoony] Yes...==
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[Rushdoony] Yes.
 
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Dorothy was reminding me before the meeting and earlier today of a book written by Sir Henry Spellman in the 1600s, late 1600s. And he studied there all the families who participated in the seizure of search properties. And his thesis was: Whatever the Church was, the properties belonged to God. The money had been given to the Lord. If they felt the churches were wrong, they should have taken the properties and given them to another group so they would still be serving the Lord. <audiopointer>24:09</audiopointer>
 
Dorothy was reminding me before the meeting and earlier today of a book written by Sir Henry Spellman in the 1600s, late 1600s. And he studied there all the families who participated in the seizure of search properties. And his thesis was: Whatever the Church was, the properties belonged to God. The money had been given to the Lord. If they felt the churches were wrong, they should have taken the properties and given them to another group so they would still be serving the Lord. <audiopointer>24:09</audiopointer>
  
==And he studied all the families who bought those properties...==
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==And he studied all the families who bought those properties==
  
 
And he studied all the families who bought those properties from Henry VIII’s administration and they all ended up in disasters and death and were wiped out for the most part. And he said, “Lest someone think it was because the times were difficult, let us look at the noble families that did to purchase these properties.” And he said, “They are still with us. They were not under the judgment of the Lord.”
 
And he studied all the families who bought those properties from Henry VIII’s administration and they all ended up in disasters and death and were wiped out for the most part. And he said, “Lest someone think it was because the times were difficult, let us look at the noble families that did to purchase these properties.” And he said, “They are still with us. They were not under the judgment of the Lord.”
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[M. Rushdoony] Real Dispensationalism is actually very complex and... and very difficult to understand, much less to ... to defend. But a... a lot of Dispensationalists have had the effect on the Church at least of law versus grace, Old Testament versus, New Testament, because that... the most people in the pew can understand that concept. Do you have a problem with people saying, “I agree with everything you say and I think it is wonderful and I agree with your opinion on is and that, but I thought we weren’t supposed to obey the law. What about law versus grace? Isn&#x0027;t this anti grace”? <audiopointer>33:23</audiopointer>
 
[M. Rushdoony] Real Dispensationalism is actually very complex and... and very difficult to understand, much less to ... to defend. But a... a lot of Dispensationalists have had the effect on the Church at least of law versus grace, Old Testament versus, New Testament, because that... the most people in the pew can understand that concept. Do you have a problem with people saying, “I agree with everything you say and I think it is wonderful and I agree with your opinion on is and that, but I thought we weren’t supposed to obey the law. What about law versus grace? Isn&#x0027;t this anti grace”? <audiopointer>33:23</audiopointer>
  
==[Weaver] Well, the very first message that I always...==
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==[Weaver] Well, the very first message that I always==
  
 
[Weaver] Well, the very first message that I always preach is the abiding validity of the law of God. And I take and show how that every negative passage in the New Testament concerning the law of God can be explained in three ways. Either, number one, those passages which denounce the law as a means of justification or, number two, those passages which deal with the death, deed and nature of sin in relationship to the law or, number three, those passages which would refer to the ceremonial law which now we have the substance or the reality in Christ. And I will take them to a number of those contexts and show them in context that is exactly what the apostle Paul is doing.
 
[Weaver] Well, the very first message that I always preach is the abiding validity of the law of God. And I take and show how that every negative passage in the New Testament concerning the law of God can be explained in three ways. Either, number one, those passages which denounce the law as a means of justification or, number two, those passages which deal with the death, deed and nature of sin in relationship to the law or, number three, those passages which would refer to the ceremonial law which now we have the substance or the reality in Christ. And I will take them to a number of those contexts and show them in context that is exactly what the apostle Paul is doing.
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[Weaver] Yes. <audiopointer>45:11</audiopointer>
 
[Weaver] Yes. <audiopointer>45:11</audiopointer>
  
==[Rushdoony] Instead of a rage against the Modernists...==
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==[Rushdoony] Instead of a rage against the Modernists==
  
 
[Rushdoony] Instead of a rage against the Modernists who had taken over the church, the leaders who were responsible for the turn around did it with grace and kindliness and a desire to rock the boat as little as possible. And I think that is one reason why they accomplished it so quickly.
 
[Rushdoony] Instead of a rage against the Modernists who had taken over the church, the leaders who were responsible for the turn around did it with grace and kindliness and a desire to rock the boat as little as possible. And I think that is one reason why they accomplished it so quickly.

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